CNN Reports: Obama/Clinton in Formal Talks For VP

by steve468, Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:34:21 AM EST

CNN News is reporting this morning that the Clinton and Obama campaigns are in formal talks to have Hillary become his VP running  mate.

The two Democratic campaigns are talking about ways for Clinton, to drop her bid for president that may include joining the Illinois senator's ticket, CNN reported. Talks are in a ``very preliminary'' stage and are described as ``difficult,'' the network said.

Further Updates Forthcoming

CNN: Clinton May Join Ticket

UPDATE: Citing anonymous sources, the network reports that the Clinton campaign is pushing for a compromise with Obama and outlining three possible scenarios, including her as his VP pick. Formal Talks




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This is the only logical solution! n/t (2.00 / 1)


by bobswern on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:37:45 AM EST

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (1.50 / 2)

I have no problem with her, but with Bill, he is too public. either he has to be completely vetted. or Obama will be hurt by him, who is Bill getting money from? who were his library donors?

the GOP will use these things to hit Obama with.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:38:01 AM EST

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

Completely vetted. Stronach/Burkle/all that foreign money. He'd never do it.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:40:30 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

Who's leaking this anyway?

One would think it was the Clinton campaign, since it ties Obama's hands somewhat.

On the other hand, it's basically a concession.  I've been hanging around here so long that I don't know how widespread the belief is that Hillary Clinton's campaign, at least as far as for President, is over.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:20:42 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

I'd say Clinton testing the waters and slowly transitioning her supporters from Presidential Battle Mode to Vice Presidential Battle Mode.

I see no upside for Obama to do this unless he's screwing with her.  


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:29:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The way it's phrased (none / 0)

it looks more like a demand of concessions in exchange for dropping out.

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that -- that's negotiation.  I just wonder what Clinton's BATNA is?  Stage a floor fight?


by Rorgg on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:18:12 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

yesterday i predicted that the BO campaign leaked her request/his denial for vp in a brilliant tactical move.  today i am even more convinced.

she is still in the race and by leaking this it delegitimizes her.  by leaking it to gauge public opinion through polls and the blogosphere it backs her into a corner.  now when it is offered to her publicly the total onus of party unity falls onto her shoulders.  if she accepts or declines so come her supporters.

this guy is brilliant!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:04:17 PM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 4)

I wouldn't worry about Bill, she has already put him in his place and has run a great campaign for president. There are areas in which Bill can be a great asset to an Obama administration, for instance Ambassador to the world, who better than Bill. He is loved and respected across the globe, unlike the bozo that is in the white house now.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:41:13 AM EST
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Ambassador To The World (none / 0)

Who better than Bill? That's easy: Barack Obama.

Isn't the POTUS kind of an "Ambassador To The World" anyway?


by Hatch on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:53:18 AM EST
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Re: Ambassador To The World (2.00 / 1)

He could send bill on all those meetings without precondition.  It would be a good way to avoid being the laughed at by the entire world for the massive FP blunder of the President walking into a room without knowing exactly what is gonna happen.


by nyarch on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:22:23 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

Put him in his place?  I haven't noticed much of that going on.


Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:53:39 AM EST
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Guilt by marriage? (2.00 / 4)

Last I checked, Bill Clinton is not in talks with the Obama campaign to be on the ticket. This is about Hillary Clinton. Period.


by bobswern on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:42:13 AM EST
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Re: Guilt by marriage? (2.00 / 1)

Bill is the one pushing her as VP.


by parahammer on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:42:55 AM EST
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Re: Guilt by marriage? (none / 0)

Yes. You cannot separate yourself from your husband if he is a former President. Everything he does/has done is an extension of her, and if she is VP, and extension of Obama.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:48:31 AM EST
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Re: Guilt by marriage? (1.00 / 0)

The spouse gets vetted to. Surprises are not allowed.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:50:24 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 6)

What is all this hate for Bill about? I thought we were laying off the candidates' spouses? Just so you know, there are those of us who love Bill and would love him until the "cows come home". "Lay off" Bill!


by Actright on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:50:56 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 3)

I think Bill got vetted when he was elected president twice. Period.


by Jaz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:52:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

No, Bill needs to be re-vetted. There are some seriously questionable pictures of Bill out there which I have seen that he would need to explain. Just because you are a former president doesn't mean you don't get vetted. That is the reason why this ticket won't happen.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:58:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

When is ANYBODY gonna vet Obama?


by nyarch on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:24:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

seriously, you need to honor the Clintons already. If he hadn't ended our image as the party of welfare and being soft on crime, Obama would be nobody. He does not need to be vetted. He didn't attend church was a racist America and white hating pastor for 20 years. I urge all to troll or hide rate these Clinton-hating Free Republic remarks against the Clintons.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:49:27 AM EST
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Clinton "unvetted" himself (2.00 / 1)

with the Rich Pardon.  When he sold a pardon for $400,000.00 the Clinton Library donors became fair game.  Espeically now when they refuse to disclose who gave how much.  Thats a 500 million dollar Pandora's Box


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:01:05 AM EST
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Re: Clinton "unvetted" himself (none / 0)

This is true, plus Hillary's brothers.  There's a lot of dirt there.


by interestedbystander on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:22:47 AM EST
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Re: Clinton "unvetted" himself (2.00 / 3)

Now who's using 'Republican talking points' ...


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:25:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The VP and the spouse get vetted. (none / 0)

That's just the way it goes. The Clintons aren't above that.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:32:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The VP and the spouse get vetted. (1.00 / 1)

nope, they are above it. and should be treated as such. If we were still the party of welfare and soft on crime like frmo 1968-1988, Obama would still be just another Chicago hack in the state legislature. O yea he still IS a Chicago hack.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:50:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Go away GOP troll. (2.00 / 1)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:28:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go away GOP troll. (1.50 / 2)

yea because I'm the one badmouthing the only Democrat elected to two terms since Franklin Roosevelt.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:32:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go away GOP troll. (2.00 / 1)

Uprating to unhide, but frankly you're both in a trolling war.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:13:53 PM EST
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Re: Go away GOP troll. (none / 0)

DJ is operating in racist fact-free land so I have to disagree.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:21:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go away GOP troll. (none / 0)

I'm with you totally on that, man. Now I've caught up a bit with his history I'm beginning to understand. But don't get caught in his trap. He's exposing himself by what he says and does. If you've trolled him it's harder to un-hiderate you without looking completely partial.  


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:28:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go away GOP troll. (none / 0)

Fair enough.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:35:45 PM EST
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Uh no. He's had lots going on since then. (1.00 / 0)

All of that gets vetted.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:31:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

Bill Clinton is a little more than a candidate's spouse.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:54:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

So sayz you and MSNBC and the hate-mongering pundits and the gophers of destruction and the body and soul snatchers.


by Actright on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:09:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You seriously think that the Repugs are... (2.00 / 2)

going to hit Obama on with Clinton crap when they have...

Wright
Rezko
Ayers
Bitter

to talk about, make shit up, and define Obama?

OMG.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:59:20 AM EST
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Yes (2.00 / 1)

Because none of the Obama stuff is sticking.

Besides, why limit yourself if you can wallow in all the filth you can find?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:02:22 AM EST
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Re: Yes (none / 0)

I thought the Obama campaign blamed their loses in Kentucky and West Virginia or viral-emails aka, muslimgate, wrightgate?


by Jaz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:06:06 AM EST
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Huh? (2.00 / 1)

No... I've no idea how you came to that conclusion.

I mean, sure, there are some voters out there that might bite for that stuff, but Clinton won in Kentucky and West Virginia because she's exceptionally strong in Appalachia and Obama has a little trouble connecting with lower-educated voters.

Really, Obama's been great at countering smear tactics.  I wouldn't worry about it.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:13:24 AM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

If Obama was confident that he would be so "great at countering smear tactics" he wouldn't even need to discuss VP with Hillary.

He isn't confident of a GE win against McPain without the support of her followers.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:22:41 AM EST
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He's not discussing it (2.00 / 1)

Except maybe to say, "no."


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:36:37 AM EST
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Re: Huh? (2.00 / 0)

Oh, to be sure he isn't confident about winning without a good chunk of her supporters.  If Hillary wants to push for the VP, Obama has to listen because she could torpedo the party if she wants (I can't believe she would do this, but plenty of her supporters on this site appear to want her to do exactly that if she loses the nom).

That being said, if she doesn't push really hard for it, having a key Clinton supporter on the ticket with him (Strickland from Ohio, I say) could help mend the fence AND get him key regional support in the rust belt.  If there isn't a graceful way for Hillary herself to be on the ticket (how could he take her after what she said about him, how could she be on his ticket after what he said about her, etc, etc), then a supporter who would help him in Ohio would do him a lot of good in the GE.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:52:59 AM EST
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Not Quite Right (none / 0)

Wright definitely weakened Obama in the primary, and the GOP will surely try to use that in the GE. Not sure how effective it will be though. Same goes for bitter. Ayers and other "guilt by association" connections don't seem to have had much of a discernible effect yet aside from strengthening the suspicions of people who were never inclined to vote for Obama in the first place. But there's no doubt we'll hear more about that stuff.

Please give it up with the Rezko bullshit though, ok? That has been such a weak line of attack it's not even funny. That one hasn't gotten Hillary any traction whatsoever, I'd be surprised if the GOP or any 527s wasted any money on pointless Rezko attack ads.


by Hatch on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:11:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure (none / 0)

I'll give you that Wright has caused some damage, but the media narrative there is pretty much over... assuming that his book doesn't come out in like October.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:14:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sure (2.00 / 0)

We live in a Democratic Primary bubble, media narrative have a way of re-animating in November.  

Dukakis thought his "soft on crime" label was over in the primary then Bush #1 pounded him with it in the GE.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:25:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not sure McCain wants to go there (2.00 / 1)

I mean, does he really want to invite comparison to Parsley, Falwell, and Hagee?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:35:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not sure McCain wants to go there (2.00 / 0)

He didn't sit in their pews for 20 years, marry him .. . yada yada ...


by wasanyonehurt on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:38:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not sure McCain wants to go there (none / 0)

Well Parsley he calls a spiritual guide so that's enough and he sought out Hagee. However, he just rejected and denounced them publicly as they were starting to draw some serious attention in the corporate media.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:40:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah (none / 0)

He only sought out their endorsement only to discard them later.

This guy can't even vet the lunatic preachers he courts, how can we trust him not to fill his administration with the same kind of corrupt sleazeballs Bush keeps?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:41:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh they will use Rezko.... (2.00 / 3)

because he becomes a seed from which an attack ad grows....they made up shit on the Clintons for years. Do you seriously think they won't do the same to Obama.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:22:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh they will use Rezko.... (2.00 / 1)

Because they don't have criminal donors??


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:41:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

One wonders why pointing out that the GOP (none / 0)

has criminal donors on a DEMOCRATIC website garners a TR....


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:22:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh they will use Rezko.... (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure that you will help defend him agaisnt these attacks.


by parahammer on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:42:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You think I matter? (2.00 / 1)

It's media. It's them who will turn against Obama if he goes 1 on 1 with McCain. They will turn against Clinton also. But they've already turned against and she is still winning. That's what we actually need to win the GE. Someone who the media hates and can still win.  That's why she's ultimately stronger than Obama.

The media is not our friend and Obama supporters are being suckered by their positive coverage of him. Positive now. Negative later.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:15:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You think I matter? (none / 0)

The media coverage of Obama's problems hasn't been nice. It's been terrible for him. It likely cost him PA or the chance to turn PA into IN.

His positives simply outweigh his negatives.  


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:24:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please sell that bridge to someone else... (none / 0)

have you watched MSNBC aka the Obama Network lately?


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:49:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please sell that bridge to someone else... (none / 0)

Well I'm sure they're less fair and balanced than Fox news but yes I've seen Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough selling their racist tripe on MSNBC why do you ask?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:03:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You seriously think that the Repugs are... (2.00 / 2)

Uh yeah. The GOP hates the Clintons and can use the "heartbeat away from the Presidency" argument to rally the troops.

Rezko is meaningless to the GOP as they love shady donors.

Wright has been divorced. McCain had to do it with his crazy pastors too.

Ayers is old. Literally.

Bitter voters aren't going to vote for Obama anyway.

I'd worry most about the mooslim smear spread by Democrats and Republicans.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:39:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Again interesting that pointing out problems the (none / 0)

GOP will have on a DEMOCRATIC website earns a TR.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:25:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The only Dem who has won (2.00 / 3)

You want Bill to be "completely vetted"? Um, the only Democrat to win the White House in, um, 30 years?  Yeah, keep dreaming my friend.  Bill Clinton has more experience/ qualifications than Mr. Obama- in his pinkie finger. Let me just say this- if Obama picks Clinton- it's because HE NEEDS HER.  Period.  No other reason.  Why does he need her?  Because he's winning this nomination based on the strength of his Caucus State wins (i.e.- activist participation).  He is not a good candidate, deeply flawed (most fatally in his swing-state weakness).  He is also winning this nomination due to the the Hillary Campaign's early crappiness.  They have since become a great machine, but early on they were seriously incompetent. All that being said-
If Hillary decided to take his VP slot, he should thank his lucky stars.  He will also need Bill Clinton to help him win over the "working class" voters who find Obama unappealing.
by easyE on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:52:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The only Dem who has won (none / 0)

So he doesn't need to be vetted?? hahaha. Special treatment entitlement complexes are funny.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:26:37 PM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

Completely vetted??? He's a former democratic president for godsake. Oh I'm sorry I forgot you don't think he's a democrat.


by ottovbvs on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:20:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes vetted. Or do you think they're above that (none / 0)

sort of thing? If they won't be vetted then Clinton won't get the spot.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:27:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The VP Vetting Process (2.00 / 3)

Both Clinton's will have to release all of their tax returns.
Also all information on donor's to their Library and foundation.
Also the source of speaking fees.
by parahammer on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:39:57 AM EST

Re: The VP Vetting Process (2.00 / 1)

And maybe we can get Cindy McCain to release her tax returns as well?
Do you honestly think average voters are going to care who donated to Clinton's library? Rezko barely made a ripple in the press, and he's under indictment and standing trial right now.
As for the Foundation, it has done incredible work in Africa to fight against AIDS, providing affordable medicine, etc. If people are donating to the cause, all the better for them, don't you think?
by skohayes on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:04:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There is a vetting process. They have to (none / 0)

all go through it. It's not optional.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:32:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not that it really matters... (none / 0)

but that's a Bloomberg link.

Nothing about it on CNN yet.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:41:02 AM EST

Re: Not that it really matters... (2.00 / 1)

the source is CNN however


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:42:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not that it really matters... (none / 0)

Errr, I didn't read the entire article, silly me. It does say CNN there.

I wonder why this isn't on their main site, though.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:42:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You're right... (none / 0)

I've been watching CNN all morning, and even though there was a brief piece from (I think) Suzanne Malveaux saying that the two campaigns were in talks about an exit strategy for Sen. Clinton, I don't recall hearing anything specific about the VP slot.


by Liberal Monk on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:22:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Okay, now (10 :25 a.m. EST) the CNN pundits (none / 0)

...are talking about whether or not she should be offered the VP slot and are saying that the case that her folks are trying to make to the Obama folks is that she's earned it as a show of respect. Still not getting information on whether or not the Obama camp is open to the idea.


by Liberal Monk on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:28:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Humor me once today (2.00 / 4)

Are they also in talks for a Clinton/Obama ticket?

(Ah, if only ...)


by Sieglinde on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:43:07 AM EST

rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (2.00 / 3)

I'm reminded of the lyrics to a Rolling Stones song.. "you can't always get what you want; but if you try, sometimes you get what you need."

The Democratic party is in serious need of reconciliation, something a unity ticket would instantly provide like nothing else could. Hillary's electoral strengths would have the added benefit of exponentially increasing the chances for a Democratic victory in Nov.

To me, this is a no brainer. Divided we stand; divided we fall. It's just that simple.


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:53:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Excuse me (2.00 / 2)

United we stand; divided we fall.

Still waking up here, obviously :)


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:58:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excuse me (2.00 / 1)

No. No. Only in America can a black man be forced to give into a white woman who has done everything possible to discredit him.

Absolutely not.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:00:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Respectfully sweet (2.00 / 1)

I observed you call someone here a racist twice yesterday. Your perspective is so distorted, what you think matters not at all to me.


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:09:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excuse me (2.00 / 0)

That's called a primary. Remember when John Kerry supporters ran an ad that morphed Howard Dean's face into Osama Bin Laden's?
It's only going to be worse in the GE.
by skohayes on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:07:13 AM EST
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Re: rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (2.00 / 3)

A unity ticket will piss off a lot of Obama supporters.  It will be seen as appeasing Clinton.  IMO, she doesn't add anything to the ticket and she doesn't deserve to be on the ticket.  

The best way to reconcile is to have Clinton drop out of the race and support Obama.  She doesn't need to be a vp candidate to do this.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:58:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (2.00 / 3)

Obama being the Dem nominee pisses alot of Clinton supporters off....

I think by saying "she doesn't deserve it" when quite infact it has been Senator Obama who has been   unable to assert his authority over this process despite hailing himself as the nominee since Iowa is his main problem.

The fact that though things look dire for Senator Clinton, she still gets a huge amount of votes. And is winning in the popular vote, or even if the Obamabots use their measure is within 2%


by Jaz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:03:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (2.00 / 1)

My point was, no matter what happens some people will be pissed off.  We can't please everyone so we shouldn't try.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:27:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

For the most part (2.00 / 3)

the internet dosen't like Hillary. A substantial majority of the Democratic party at large sees things very differently, which the net roots have a bad habit of forgetting about and discounting. Polling on the subject of a unity ticket shows that a solid majority of Democratic voters strongly favor a unity ticket.


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:05:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: For the most part (2.00 / 1)

The vast majority of Democrats will be unified behind Obama regardless of who his VP is.  The people who will walk away from the party if Clinton isn't on the ticket are minuscule in number and we can win this without them.  

I'll still vote for Obama no matter who his VP choice is but I might not give him as much money if Clinton is on the ticket.  Especially if my $$ is going to pay off her debts.  

You can't please everyone, therefore it is a mistake to try.  Obama should pick the person that adds most to the ticket.   I don't think that is Clinton.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:21:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: For the most part (2.00 / 2)

Don't be too certain that the "vast majority" will unify under Obama.  Exit polls that show 32%-35% of Clinton supporters would vote McPain was validated yesterday by MSNBC which showed that 30% of dems in KY actually did crossed over to Bush 2004 over Kerry.

I will vote for the Democratic nominee but am not convinced that the non-netroot dem will.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:32:59 AM EST
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Re: For the most part (none / 0)

It is five months + until the GE.  That 32-35% will dwindle down to almost nothing before November.  If it doesn't then we deserve to lose.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:49:18 AM EST
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Re: For the most part (2.00 / 3)

Do you get the point that "30% of KY Democratic voters switched to Bush over Kerry"?

You live in a fantasy world if you think it dwindles to "nothing"

And NO, "we don't deserve to lose" if he can't carry those crossovers. . . without serious overtures to Clinton and her supporters, the fault will lie with Obama.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:56:24 AM EST
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Re: For the most part (none / 0)

Hey, have I insulted you?  If I did it was unintentional, and I apologize.  So please stop with the fucking insults.  

Do you get the point that "30% of KY Democratic voters switched to Bush over Kerry"?

KY will not be in play in November. Regardless of who is on the D ticket.  As a result, I don't put too much stock in what turncoat Democrats do in that state.  

And NO, "we don't deserve to lose" if he can't carry those crossovers. . . without serious overtures to Clinton and her supporters, the fault will lie with Obama.

There isn't a good reason for a Democrat to not vote for Obama in November.  The vast majority of Democrats will realize this and do the right thing.  That is why I don't worry about the die hards.  They either can't be reached or they will do what is right because it is simply the right thing to do.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:10:10 AM EST
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Re: rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (2.00 / 2)

Your sounding "Bitter" We don't need that, we need unity, she can bring everything to this race. He needs her supporters, without them he is sunk. BTW: Clinton supporters are very faithful to her, and will stick with her always. Remember that!


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by steve468 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:08:42 AM EST
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Re: rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (none / 0)

I am bitter.  Actions should have consequences.   Clinton shouldn't be rewarded for staying in the race two months too long.  

BTW: Clinton supporters are very faithful to her, and will stick with her always. Remember that!

Leave!!  Go vote for McCain. We will win this without your help.  Stop pretending anyone gives a shit about your threats.  We don't.  Take your ball and go home.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:24:54 AM EST
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Re: rec'd.. consider yourself humored :) (2.00 / 4)

"IMO, she doesn't add anything to the ticket and she doesn't deserve to be on the ticket. "

As an Obama supporter, I respectfully disagree.  Hillary can help deliver Arkansas, Florida and Ohio based on a lot of polling information out there.  While I think Obama can win without carrying any of those states, I don't really want to test that theory if its not necessary.  Our party is split 51/49 in it's choice for candidate and for all Obama's talk about building a broader base..this would be a good start IMHO.  


by lex75 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:42:41 AM EST
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See the DK threads... (2.00 / 2)

...this looks like more agitprop from CNN.

She wants the VP, but the decision is Obama's to make. And I don't think he'll make it in her favor.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:47:50 AM EST

Re: See the DK threads... (2.00 / 2)

With all those delegates that she has in her pocket, she could get just about anything she wants, unless they want a fight on their hands, which I don't believe they do. Lets see what happens


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by steve468 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:55:03 AM EST
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Re: See the DK threads... (2.00 / 1)

No she can't because this will be determined by the superdelegates. Her bargaining power has long since diminished.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:00:47 AM EST
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If her delegates were as (none / 0)

many as you imply they are, she'd be on top of the ticket, instead of begging for a spot at the bottom.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:04:38 AM EST
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Re: If her delegates were as (2.00 / 1)

1800 and counting. Yes that is many according to the Obama math.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:09:57 AM EST
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It's not enough. (2.00 / 1)

If it were, she'd be offering Obama the VP slot, instead of being denied it. :^)


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:11:48 AM EST
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Let me just clear something up here... (2.00 / 2)

...With over 1,500 delegates at the Democratic National Convention, Hillary can influence a lot of things in Denver.

She can influence the platform and yes, she can influence whom the Vice Presidential nominee is.

For anyone to sit behind their computer and poo poo more than 1,500 delegates obviously doesn't know how the Democratic Party functions.


by andrewalker08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:18:05 AM EST
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Tantrums don't change reality. (2.00 / 1)

The loser doesn't pick the copilot of the winner.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:21:31 AM EST
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And you fail to realize that... (2.00 / 3)

...A candidate for the Democratic vice presidential nomination needs a majority of the delegates (pledged or otherwise) to become the nominee.

If Hillary walks into the Convention with the same number of delegates she has now, she could force her way onto the ticket and the unpledged delegates could give her the boost she needs to clinch the vice presidential nomination.

You see, when it comes down to the vice presidential nomination, it's a whole 'nother vote entirely.

Hillary has the delegate votes to place her name into nomination to be the Democratic candidate for the Office of Vice President of the United States.  And she can get it if she holds all her pledged delegates in line and convinces enough unpledged delegates to support her cause.

The simple fact is that the unpledged delegates are saying they will vote for Sen. Obama on the first ballot.  They didn't say a damn thing about whom they would vote for, for vice president meaning that all the unpledged delegates are fair game.


by andrewalker08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:36:15 AM EST
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This is fantasy. (2.00 / 1)

The winner gets to pick the VP. The loser doesn't. If you have to rely on arguments of floor fights at the convention and "unpledged delegates are fair game", you're deep in the hypothetical forest.

In the meantime (in the real world), the race is done, and Obama's busy vetting his ABC VPs. Clinton knows this, and is telling her supporters what they want to hear (that she still has a chance somewhere on the ticket), all the while waiting for her campaign to break even again.

She's spinning you guys. You shouldn't fall for this.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:39:25 AM EST
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The Rules Say That The Convention... (2.00 / 3)

...Picks the Vice Presidential nominee.


by andrewalker08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:43:03 AM EST
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Re: And you fail to realize that... (none / 0)

" And she can get it if she holds all her pledged delegates in line and convinces enough unpledged delegates to support her cause."

Yes, and if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

It'll never happen.  It would be a disaster for her to try and force it if Obama didn't want it.  It would weaken him and make her look like an idiot, and hurt our chances this Fall.

Just let it go, already...


by Lawyerish on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:44:10 AM EST
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This better be a mere formality (none / 0)

Because I would be very, very angry if her "I'll hold my breath until I pass out" tactics actually netted her anything.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:47:55 AM EST

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 2)

They are in talks for her to drop out. The part about her getting VP as part of the deal is just pure speculation on the part of CNN, most likely passing along talking points from President Clinton


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by Lost Thought on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:49:48 AM EST

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 4)

Come on! Hillary isn't going to just drop out now, unless something is in it for her. Let's get real!


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:56:05 AM EST
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There is something in it for her (2.00 / 2)

Like, the respect of Democrats.  Perhaps the world.

She can't prove herself any further than she already has at this point.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:04:25 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

He can give her rules changes at the convention, to make more states have primaries and adjust the calander. That would be a more traditional consolation prize anyways. And she always has some debt which could be taken care of with a quick dip into Obama's swimming pools of cash :)


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:05:25 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

Traditional yes...however this nomination is very very close, closer in fact than any of those traditional cases. The party is split on who they like better. Picking both is the logical choice, and politically it's a good choice too.


by nyarch on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:37:08 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, this. And the whole thing is apparently sourced pretty much exclusively from anonymous sources inside the Clinton campaign, so I don't put a lot of weight on this as anything but a signal that she may finally be getting ready for an exit.


by werehippy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:56:19 AM EST
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I have no formal objections (none / 0)

to Hillary on the ticket. I sorta think she is a born Vice President in the post-Al Gore era of Vice Presidents. I wonder, though, if it helps the party's future. I mean, you figure, in eight years, I doubt Hillary will run, although I could be wrong about that. She'll be, what?, 68? That's not old these days and will be considered even younger in 2016, but I really think the party needs to present the image of freshness and the future before the Republicans start rolling out it's young spry Abercrombie model-looking officials. I think by 2016, the party is going to be as sick of the Obamas as some are of the Clintons now and even more sick of the Clintons.

I know it sounds a little ageist, but I'm just thinking out loud. Maybe if Clinton decides to make a run in 2016, she puts a young spry Abercrombie-model looking official on HER ticket?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:52:07 AM EST

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 2)

I am praying that this will not happen.  

This election is a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the way things are done in Washington.  Having Clinton on the ticket will take something unique and make it ordinary.  She isn't an agent for change.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:52:51 AM EST

Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (none / 0)

eh, Obama wants to show he can bring change, its not only about changing of the guards, he has to show he can make change happen even while working with others who aren't inline with him.

I will wait and see how all this develops, I just don't know about Obama/Clinton


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:56:59 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 1)

Clinton is the personification of what needs to change.  If he embraces her that would really damage his message.  

There are plenty of other people who aren't inline with Obama that he can work with to show that he can bring change.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:07:47 AM EST
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Re: CNN Breaking News: Obama/Clinton in Formal Tal (2.00 / 2)

Change from Bush--not Democrats, MAN!


by Check077 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:21:25 AM EST
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Grow up (2.00 / 2)

Obama is no agent for change either.  God - you really believe he is different?  There will come a day when you look in the mirror and understand Obama is just another politician and you have been had.


by emmasaint on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:58:05 AM EST
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Re: Grow up (2.00 / 1)

Like the day he becomes inaugurated? Or, how about the day he enacts his health care plan? Or, better yet, how about the day he enacts a plan to pull our troops out of Iraq?

I'll look in the mirror each and every one of those days and say: "Glad I voted for him."


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by Massadonious on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:02:40 AM EST
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Re: Grow this (none / 0)

He is enough of an agent of change to kick Hillary's & the Clinton Machine's collective ass.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:03:34 AM EST
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Re: Grow this (2.00 / 1)

Why does he even need to discuss VP with her if he's such an all-powerful, bad-ass.

Perceived weakness.  A belief that those 32% of Hillary supporters who vow to vote McPain will follow through on their threat as confirmed by MSNBC.

I will vote for the Dem nominee but will they?


by wasanyonehurt on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:44:58 AM EST
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Re: Grow this (none / 0)

He isn't an all-powerful bad-ass, he is just a politician.   You shouldn't put too much stalk in the Obama as Messiah talking point.  It isn't true.

I will vote for the Dem nominee but will they?

The vast majority will.  The opinions of the ones that don't are not worth considering.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:57:52 AM EST
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Both Are Dems (2.00 / 2)

Having a Democrat in the White House would be a major change. So in that sense, both are agents of change.

I do think Obama is less beholden to certain entrenched interests and bad influences within the party (i.e. the DLC, people like Mark Penn) than Clinton. But most of us aren't stupid enough to think that he's anything but a politician.


by Hatch on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:05:51 AM EST
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Oh, I see. We've had so many women (2.00 / 1)

VicePresidents throughout our history that having another one would be soooo ordinary:

Having Clinton on the ticket will take something unique and make it ordinary.

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?


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