Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks

I have been appalled at the responses from supposed Democrats and Hillary supporters in regards to the Rev. Wright situation. As an African-American I have been deeply offended by the comments and even more offended by the lack of outrage from supposed Democrats for so many other REAL issues that face African-Americans and others every day.

I ask you:

Where is the outrage that a black man is dragged by his teeth for miles in Texas by whites just because he is black? Where is the outrage that our tax dollars continue to send funds to cities that tolerate this?

Where is the outrage at what Geraldine Ferraro(and was able to say for two weeks without being told to stop) and the fact that Hillary Clinton considered her a friend of over 20 years?

Where was the outrage over the Jena six?

Where is the outrage that 1 in every 100 American is in jail?

Where is the outrage that Planned Parenthood is encouraging the abortion of black babies?

Where is the outrage that 30% of all blacks are incarcerated when we make up only 13% of the population?

Where is the outrage that a white convict is three times as likely to find a job as opposed to a black convict?

Where is the outrage that the Blacks are the ones that are most effected by the lack of educational funds in public schools?

Where was the outrage when Hillary Clinton compared the Bush Administration to running America like a plantation?

Where is the outrage that the average lifespan of an African-American male is only 55?

Where is the outrage that African-Americans are more likely to be stopped by police for NO OTHER REASON besides being black four times as much as whites?

Where is the outrage that people work in this country and our still poor?

Where is the outrage when in the 1990s during the Genocide in Rwanda that the Clinton Administration did absolutely NOTHING?

Where is the outrage that more African-Americans were incarcerated during the Clinton Administration then in any previous administration due to ridiculous laws?

When you can show me the REAL outrage in all of these things, then we can talk about the outrage of the comments of Rev. Wright.  Until then, this needs to stop.



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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (2.00 / 3)

well said but expect all the Hillary supporters not to say a peep about your diary, in fact they'll accuse you of being an Obama supporter playing the "racist" card on the inevitable and all magnificent never wrong Hillary R. Clinton...

wait and see :)


by jax8 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:15:18 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (2.00 / 2)

I wouldn't be surprised but thanks for the support.


by kristannab on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:17:41 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

I'm not sure where the outrage is that Hillary made that "plantation" comment.  From the video, the outrage sure wasn't inside the church when she said it.

I'm not sure that one really deserves to be up there on the list with genocide, but it's your diary.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:20:18 PM EST

re (1.83 / 6)

As a gay man I was outraged when Obama stood on stage with his buddy Donnie. I wonder what Rev Wright has said about gays and lesbians. That show has yet to drop. But please quit the pity party, Hillary Clinton is a member of the most oppressed group of people in WORLD history its called women. We could all be outraged all day everyday especially my people who cannot even marry or be who we are. Whine somewhere else


by rossinatl on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:24:20 PM EST

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I'm sorry but blacks are far more oppressed than WHITE women. Those of darker complexion(considered black)  are far more oppressed than those that are not in  practically every country around the world.


by kristannab on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:27:05 PM EST
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Re: re (2.00 / 2)

really? im black just so you know.....but anyway you tell me where black males are getting genital mutilation?


by boxer4hrc on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:29:26 PM EST
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Re: re (none / 0)

Good point, can you tell where in America women between the ages of 18 and 34 are being held at a rate of 1 in 9.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:02:39 PM EST
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Useless metaphor (none / 0)

Men of all colors are incarcerated at more than ten times the rate of women of all colors.


by Montague on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:13:39 PM EST
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Re: re (2.00 / 1)

Whine somewhere else

With supporters like this, who needs critics?


by mattw on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:28:42 PM EST
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Re: re (2.00 / 2)

Actually Wright has been a leader in the Black relgious community on the issue of accepting LGBTs, but I'm pretty sure you'll just ignore this because you don't care.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:55:04 PM EST
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Re: re (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, white women had it so hard, I mean remember when LBJ had to pass the Civil Rights Act so white Women could vote without being killed? Remember when the torture, multilation and murder of white women was a family gathering, a public affair that drew crowds of thousands well into the 20th century? Remember when a nutty bigot shot and killed Gloria Steinem? Remember when a major religious icon was misappropriated and burned on the lawns of white women so that they would know their place? Remember when their was a nearly one hundred year gap in the election of white women to national office? Remember how you could count the number of post-reconstruction women elected to a major state-wide office on one hand until today?


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:01:04 PM EST
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Women are under attack (none / 0)

Many women are directly physically attacked every single day, often without any effective efforts at protection by federal, state, or local governments.  Many multiples more are attacked in the form of the fear of knowing they may be physically attacked.


"We live entangled of webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 03:45:39 PM EST
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Re: re (none / 0)

I am trying to be very objective during this primary season...but rossinatl is right, we could go on forever on how different minority groups have been "overlooked".. hey as a gay left-handed latino I still remember there were NO left handed scissors in Pre-K and K and I was forced to use right handed scissors upside down... talk about feeling different

Guillermo


by el mito on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:53:12 PM EST
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Can you hear me clapping? (none / 0)

Because I would be clapping for that comment if we were talking instead of typing.


by georgiapeach on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:05:49 PM EST
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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (1.75 / 4)

Where was the outrage when Obama equated Hillary to bush/cheney light?

Wehre was the outrage when Michelle Obama said that if you cant clean your own house how r u going to clean the white house?

where is the outrage when obama supporters us Billary?

where was the outrage when obama said hillary was "likable enough"?

where was the outrage when axelrod said hillary was to blame for Bhutto's death?

where was the outrage(by BO supoorters) when david suster said Chelsea was being "pimped out"?

where was the outrage when Rev. Wright said hillary has never been called a nigger? (has obama ever been called a BITCH or CUNT or has he every been told to go wash my shirts?)

you guys kill me with this crap!


by boxer4hrc on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:25:48 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

"where was the outrage when Rev. Wright said hillary has never been called a nigger? (has obama ever been called a BITCH or CUNT or has he every been told to go wash my shirts?)"

No, but Clinton campaign surrogates have implied and/or asked if he was dealing drugs, somehow Clinton and Bush were never asked this even though both of them used, huh wonder why that is, hmmm.... what would make Obama seem more like a drug dealer than Clinton or Bush, hmm.... man this is a hard one.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:05:06 PM EST
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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (2.00 / 1)

Wow.
 So people have to address dozens of unrelated issues before they are allowed by you to discuss one pertinent to the GE in November?
I notice a certain lack of outrage for women's issues that are going on tenfold to the issues you mentioned worldwide in your comment.
How about children in sweatshops, and the handicapped. What about animal rights issues and the elderly?
How dare you omit them from your diary! See the slippery slope here?
With your line of logic, we should discuss the library of congress before we are given moral permission to discuss Wright (who gave an achievment award to Farrakhan).
Feh.
by Zorkon on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:27:34 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (2.00 / 2)

Because some of these issues have not been handled doesn't mean that Rev. Wright's words weren't extremely offensive.

There was and still is outrage for many of the instances you list. Some the country need to help us take care of and some that we as black people need to address ourselves.

That being said Rev. Wright's statements were reprehensible and does not belong in the public discourse. What we need to do is sit down with each other and discuss race, and gender in an honest, open and non-threatening manner.

MLK said, "If we do not live together as brothers, we will perish together as fools."


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:28:51 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

I am not condoning what Rev. Wright said but the outrage is a bit much considering everything else wrong with our country. I agree that we need to discuss race and gender but what I have seen all over the web is what I consider to be a fake outrage. An outrage to distract us from the real problems.


by kristannab on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:33:14 PM EST
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CONTEXT? ARE YOU KIDDING? (2.00 / 1)

Wright said FDR lied about Pearl Harbor and Obama said he never heard about that.

Wright said the government created HIV to purposefully cause a genocide to kill people of color and Obama said he never heard about that.

Wright said "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye....We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

NICE. When Wright said,"America's chickens are coming home to roost", he was quoting Malcolm X's words about the justice of JFK'S murder.

and Obama said he never ever heard about that either.

Obama in three TV interviews said he never heard about any of this.

Right.....

Sure.......

Uh huh....


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:38:23 PM EST
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Re: CONTEXT? ARE YOU KIDDING? (none / 0)

The FDR thign while almost definitely untrue is not exactly an out there theory.
The 9-11 thing is being misconstrued.
The AIDS thing does need context, and its something that was an urban legend in both the Black and Gay community, for a Black man of Wright's age it shouldn't even be that shocking I mean he lived in a time in which the US played Mengele with Black people all the time, sterilizations, drug testing, actions with syphillis that are tantamount to murder and should have lead to at least a few executions, etc.

by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:08:44 PM EST
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ARE YOU KIDDING? (none / 0)

not exactly an out there theory??????!!!!!

sorry, but it and the hiv tale is proof wright's a loon.

anyone who doesn't see this,just has to be one too.


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:16:40 AM EST
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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (2.00 / 2)

Your diary is pathetic.   If you can't deal with the issue at hand rather than trying to play it off on others, shame on you, dude.  

This man's comments were and are disgusting, and here you are trying to change the subject and make it about something/someone else.  THERE'S the real outrage: a failure by you and others to hold this person to account.  Not smart, dude.


by DaTruth on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:31:56 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

remember when jerry falwell blamed 911 on us fags?

where is the outrage from the left when this guy did the same thing, except he blamed it all on white people?

ya'll are all hypocrites!

We as blacks will never move up if we keep on holding ourselves down!


by boxer4hrc on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:34:31 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

"Where is the outrage that Planned Parenthood is encouraging the abortion of black babies?"

This sounds like some right wing, pro life smear.  


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:38:59 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

In fact, that IS a right-wing, anti-abortion smear used by that Parsley guy.  


by Montague on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:20:56 PM EST
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Where's the REAL Outrage? (none / 0)

My outrage is exhausted by what is happening in Darfur.  Where is your outrage on that, I could ask.  But that would be pointless!!

I do not have any outrage left over for the tragedies that you list.  

Some of them (e.g. Hillary and the plantation) are not ever worth a yawn.  Others (people work in this country and are still poor) are ridiculous (people work in EVERY country and ARE poor.. and some are a whole lot poorer than the poor in this country).  Yet others (the driving while black syndrome) have been replaced by more recent events (such as flying while Arab or Muslim).

I am sorry, I will reserve my outrage for Darfur ~ they are the ones that really deserve it.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:42:09 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

Don't you think all this outrage becomes a little forced in the end?  Rather like watching a perpetual loop of the potty mouth Rev. Wright screaming "God damn America" over and over again. By the way, as to your outrage #12, the dignified and much suffering people of Rawanda have seen fit to forgive Bill Clinton his sins as they slowly try to put their lives back together. I suspect the Rawandans understand there is much blame to go round, so you can't that outrage is not yours to borrow. In the end man cannot live on outrage alone. It is a combustible self-destructive and ultimately unproductive emotion. I'd take Martin Luther King's effective and quietly subversive non-violent, civil disobedience strategies over the futile and banal tantrums of the egotistical screamer Rev Wright.


by superetendar on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:43:08 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

Have you read some of Dr. King's sermons?


by kristannab on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:45:39 PM EST
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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

I'm sorry, have I missed some hidden text in the MLK archive? Are there words to the equivalent of Rev Wright's "God damn America" that are the product of MLK?

What do you say to young African-Americans after those words "God damn America?" Where do you go from there? With those three words there is no future, you're stuck, forever victims, forever captives of Rev. Wright's blood curdling unthinking outrage, jiving away in his profane pulpit to the sound of his own vengeful voice.

You cannot compare Rev. Wright and MLK, yes, MLK fought against injustice, poverty, war, but he respected his fellow African Americans by appealing to reason as a way to emotion, reason as a way to action. That's what made MLK a powerful world icon. Rev. Wright is not for export beyond the doors of Trinity Church, even Obama knows it.


by superetendar on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:20:47 PM EST
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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

Im not touching this one....


by tofriends on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:47:53 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (2.00 / 1)

Where is the outrage that a black man is dragged by his teeth for miles in Texas by whites just because he is black?
This particular Democrat was very outraged by that event. many of us expressed our outrage and demanded justice.
Where was the outrage over the Jena six?
My outrage is that this turned into a Jena 6 thing rather than recognizing everything that took place there. I cannot support a gang of thugs beating someone within an inch of his or her life. I also do not support the student(s) that hung the nooses and started this crap. I am outraged that rather than try and SOLVE the problem we exacerbate it by turning an already racist issue into a full blown one where people are expected to take sides rather than work together to solve the whole mess.

Where is the outrage that the Blacks are the ones that are most effected by the lack of educational funds in public schools?
Where is the outrage that nearly 50% of blacks drop out of high school before graduating?

Where is the outrage that the average lifespan of an African-American male is only 55?
There are many physical genetic reasons for this. Unless you intend to be more specific I can't comment.

Where is the outrage that people work in this country and our still poor?
I was an Edwards supporter till he dropped out. I understand poverty having lived through it more than a few times myself. Why are the poor more likely to support Hillary?

Where is the outrage when in the 1990s during the Genocide in Rwanda that the Clinton Administration did absolutely NOTHING?
As above, I was very outraged by the inaction. I spoke out against the policy of inaction at the time.

Where is the outrage that more African-Americans were incarcerated during the Clinton Administration then in any previous administration due to ridiculous laws?
I would need to see specific data before commenting. But there were more black people lifted out of poverty during the Clinton Administration than at any time in recent history.

So there: I have responded to your offer.


by Fleaflicker on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:57:43 PM EST

er, where is Obama's outrage? (none / 0)

I seem to recall he took a pass on the Jena 6, endorsed Joe Lieberman, has said the security of Israel was sacrosanct, pushed a mortgage bailout that did nothing for lower income homeowners  etc etc

And, here, given a chance to use his incredible skills as a charismatic leader, to use the Rev Wright case as a learning opportunity - when he could have taken a minute to explain the Rev.'s views and use it as a chance to help all Americans move forward as he claims his mission is, he didn't.  He wimped out.

Instead, he used that opportunity like any other craven politician would and threw the Rev under the bus.

Besides, even if we do the calculus on the many horrific wrongs you mention (and the many more you didn't mention) I still don't see how that adds up to an endorsement of the Junior Senator from Illinois.

Are you saying, that voting for Obama will some how rectify or even address these terrible sins?  Or that, the only case for his presidency is that black Americans have suffered?

Isn't that beginning to sound a bit like what everyone accused Geraldine Ferraro of saying?

I will say this, the Rev Wright might be no MLK, but I suspect Obama, so ambitious to be president, so quick to get his little mansion in an elite Chicago neighborhood, so quick to advance his political ambitions that he turns a blind eye to Rezko's slums in his own Illinois district, is not half the man Dr Wright is.

Sen Obama canceled two scheduled appearances today on Morning TV.  What a pity.  The Senator has some Irish blood in him.  He could have used today to remind the Irish of their centuries long struggle against the English Planters, he could have talked to the genocide of the Famine years and the incredible hatred the Irish experienced when coming to America (i.e. The Rev John Hagee) He could have opened a door through which many Reagan Democrats could have empathised with his preacher's outrage and anger.

Had he been half the visionary he claims to be, he could have rose to the challenge and even if he had damaged his electoral chances he would have done the right thing and would have made America a better place.  But, instead, he wrote Rev Wright off as a "crazy uncle" and tried to pretend he had no idea what was going on.

Shesssh.

Has it ever occurred to you that Obama might just be another opportunistic politician with a fancy ad campaign and a handful of brilliant slogans?

Read Larry Pinkney in the current issue of the Black Commentator if you want outrage, though in this case its at politicians who exploit  righteousness anger of many African-American for their own ego-driven ambitions.

Oh, and I bet Obama isn't half the man former black panther, Larry Pinkney is either.  At least when Pinkney did community work he stuck around to see results.  


by PadraigPearse on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:48:55 PM EST
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Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

This Black Diarists thinks I can be outraged by all of the above AND Rev. Wright.  My outrage, however, is less to do with what the Rev said (free speech and all that jazz), but with the fact that Obamabots still think their Messiah is still electable.

Additionally, I'm outraged that people close their eyes and ears to Obama's consistent play on the race card.

Indeed, there is plenty of outrage to go around.


I'll vote for the guy, but he can suck my big toe...btw, what happened to the cute lil Presidential Seal he made up?
by BRockNYC on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:08:24 PM EST

Re: Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

Where is the outrage that a black man is dragged by his teeth for miles in Texas by whites just because he is black? Where is the outrage that our tax dollars continue to send funds to cities that tolerate this? Where's the evidence that this was tolerated? Were not the people who murdered Johnny Byrd prosecuted?
by Mayor McCheese on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:13:37 PM EST

And A Black Diarist Responds (2.00 / 2)

I doubt that you're going to find many progressives, Hillary supporters or otherwise who don't already have a significant amount of the things you listed.  Some of your list is absolute nonsense, but there are certainly some real issues in your list.

But let's call out that nonsense in your diary for what it is:

Where was the outrage when Hillary Clinton compared the Bush Administration to running America like a plantation?

Why would anyone be outraged about this?  It's a valid criticism of the Bush administration.

Where is the outrage that the average lifespan of an African-American male is only 55?

That's wrong, and demonstrably so.  The average life expectancy of an African American male is about 68 and continuing to increase.

As I said, you have some valid points in your diary that do need to be addressed. However, you are suggesting that no one is allowed to be pissed off about anything else, and that's just ridiculous.

I think Rev. Wright is a nut, and black people who try to claim he's a moderate aren't doing the rest of us black folks any favors.  He's not a moderate, and people have a right be mad as hell over his statements.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:15:18 PM EST

Re: And A Black Diarist Responds (none / 0)

I agree about what HRC said and blacks weren't outraged. It's an outrage that the MSM and white liberals didn't show the same level of outrage towards HRC when she used racially charged language in a speech as they have towards Rev. Wright.


by kristannab on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:22:58 PM EST
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What was the racially charged HRC rhetoric? (none / 0)


by lombard on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:52:55 PM EST
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Re: Where's REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

Hey, kristannab, I respect the reason for your diary, and I appreciate the points you are making.  However, this is one thing I will point out--just because there is outrage by some over the Reverend Wright matter, does not mean it can be presumed there was not outrage over other very real matters you mention.

(Although I'd also want to check that bit about genocide in Rwanda--not that it occurred, because it did, but the blame for the Clintons.  I believe I recall it was determined that this mishandling was found to be due to his Aide sitting on her hands and not letting the President know about this situation--the same woman who was serving on Obama's foreign relations committee for some time.  Although I'll admit I might be remembering incorrectly on this at the moment and can't check my facts right now--I admit I don't have the steel trap mind that many here seem to have as it relates to political matters, but believe I'm recalling the correct situation there.  And if so, he did take personal blame and apologize for that.)

But as others have pointed out, it is not just a matter of outrage over situations that have affected and are affecting the African American community, or at least I do not believe it should be.  There is also oppression against women, there is also oppression against gays, there is also oppression of other minorities (all which have their equally outrageous examples, which I could also bullet point, but I won't for purposes of this discussion).  And ALL of these problems are situations that should and need to be addressed--and all are matters where offensive comments can be attributed back to some fellow democrats, Obama's supporters as well as Hillary's supporters, in one way or another that many are as deeply offended by as those examples you cited.  

That is not to say the existence of these other injustices makes those you cite any less important, not at all--however, I don't believe it appropriate to be concerned about only one set of injustices to the exclusion of other injustices that continue to go on every day in the oppression of other groups.  The thing is, we all have differing life situations--and although one matter may not be personally offensive to one individual while highly offensive to another, if we step back and look at the big picture, we can see that any situation aimed at oppressing any group of people should be considered outrageous to a fair and just people!  And to presume that individuals who may not be personally affected by any one situation cannot still be outraged by it defies the good I like to believe exists in our modern civilization (i.e., for a very recent example, I am not an African American, but I have spoken out very strongly in unfriendly territory about the injustice of what happened and is continuing to happen with respect to Jena 6).  Undoubtedly, there will always be those self-centered and ignorant individuals who only care about those things affecting them personally, but I believe if our population as a whole steps back and looks thoughtfully and honestly at such problematic situations, the majority of Democratic voters are in fact outraged.

Although I don't personally agree with the sentiment of all verses within all versions of the well known "First They Came" poem (attributed to Pastor Martin Niemoller), I believe the concept and closing lines are very representative of what I'm trying to say.  So to close this out, I'll quote the version that appears on the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C.:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:18:17 PM EST

Re: Where's REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

The Obama aide who had served in the Clinton Admin. and is said to have dropped the ball with regards to getting a timely response to the Rwanda horror  is Susan Rice, who now heads the Senator's Foreign Policy team.


by PadraigPearse on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:53:04 PM EST
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Re: Where's REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks (none / 0)

Thank you for confirming and adding that information, PadraigPearse!  I wasn't sure I could trust my memory on that--but yes, that sounds right (although I had been thinking this had been the same woman that recently resigned from Obama's campaign over the "monster" comments and calling Ohioans "obsessed"--and I see I was not remembering correctly on that).  Thanks again!


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:07:43 PM EST
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Yeah, where is the outrage? (none / 0)

"Where is the outrage that 30% of all blacks are incarcerated when we make up only 13% of the population?"

Yes, where is the outrage among the black community that African Americans commit such a disproportionate number of crimes (and, more often than not, other African Americans are the victims).  Poverty and/or lack of education isn't an exclusively black condition, you know.

Maybe you forgot Jesse Jackson's comments about ten years ago.  He said that when he was walking in a strange city and heard the footsteps of a group of young men behind him, he breathed a sigh of relief if when he discovered that they were white.

OK, yes, I forgot.  This is all white Americans' fault because we introduced drugs (I guess alcohol and AIDS, too) into the black community in an effort to destroy them.  But the minority of African Americans who are foolish enough to believe such rubbish ignore a critical fact that would inhibit even a purposefully evil people from employing those tactics even if they were capable of executing them:  you cannot limit the effects of those destabilizing agents to the target population.  This is the same reason why nobody used poison gas in WWII.  The armies found out in WWI that they had a difficult time only gassing the other side.


by lombard on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:40:35 PM EST

Re: Yeah, where is the outrage? (none / 0)

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, its not the commission of crimes, dude-- Multiple studies have shown the there is no racial element in drug use, and yet AAs are incarcerated at  a rate approaching 1000% of what would be expected. Seriously, do blame Native Americans for being drunk, and women for earning less then men (after all maybe if they worked harder it wouldn't be a problem).


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:04:40 PM EST
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I blame people who commit crimes (none / 0)

for those crimes regardless of race, creed, or color unless those crimes are the very rare crimes of necessity.


by lombard on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:22:05 PM EST
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My feeling is that anyone who is caught (none / 0)

committing a crime (and properly tried and convicted) should pay the penalty.  Just because someone else got away with it is not an excuse that the one who got caught should be set free.  Nonetheless, there is NO doubt that, for being tried for the same crime, a black (or other minority) man will be more likely to be convicted and more likely to receive a harsher sentence than a white man.  Taking proportionality into account, more black than white men wind up on death row for the very same crimes.  That's unjust and that is indeed an indicator of racism.


by Montague on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:27:04 PM EST
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And don't call me "dude" (none / 0)

I'm not a hippie or a skateboarder.


by lombard on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:30:46 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, where is the outrage? (none / 0)

Actually, in large part the importation of Cocaine/Crack can be laid at the feet of the US Government, Kerry held hearings during the Clinton Administration which definitively proved that much of the Coke entering the US in 70s and 80s did so under the auspices of the US government (it was used as a funding source for the Contras).


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:06:44 PM EST
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Even if that is true (none / 0)

that doesn't contradict my point.  Those type of agents can't be targeted specifically at the black community.


by lombard on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:19:36 PM EST
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