Rev. Wright & Black America

This is my first diary entry so go easy on me.

I know that many are upset and confused by what Rev. Wright has said and probably blame Obama but you shouldn't.  Don't call him a phony or say that he "should have known."  Why? I attend a predominantly Black church and the sermons like those of Rev. Wright do come up but not as often as the media would like to portray.  If you notice, his speeches are usually around some event--9/11, Katrina, Christmas. I personally have missed a number of my Pastor's controversial speeches and have only heard about them months later.

These speeches do happen in black churches because unfortunately there are two America's --a black one and a white one. African-Americans view America in a completely different way than whites do and that is the truth. I'm sure that my Pastor has gotten caught up in the moment at times like Rev. Wright and I'm glad that I wasn't there to witness it but it doesn't mean that I should be ashamed that I am a member of XYZ church. Why should Obama? I am sure that Rev Wright has done a lot of good for the community and he may at times go "off" but why should people not vote for Obama because of his Pastor? He rejected and denounced the man immediately so what more is there to do?  

I honestly believe that white liberals are uncomfortable with Rev. Wright because many are unfamiliar to Black America. It's okay to be uncomfortable and I think this would now be a good time to address many of the issues that Rev. Wright and other black Pastor's bring up in their sermons.

All thoughts are welcomed.



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Nicely done (2.00 / 1)

I do not agree with what you said, but I complement you on your first diary.

You should write more often!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:29:00 AM EST

Re: Nicely done (2.00 / 1)

I really appreciated this diary.  It's important that we always listen to different perspectives.


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by Steve M on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:07:05 AM EST
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Re: Rev. Wright & Black America (2.00 / 1)

It's nice to get that perspective.

I've argued that even if his specific words aren't justified, his anger at the injustices and hypocrisy he perceives is.  

Reverend Wright clearly went too far.  But sometimes you have to go too far to make your point.  You have to go ten miles, just to convince people that it's really important that they go one.  

And, of course, much of the outrace, especially among liberals, is feigned.  Even though we know the attacks of 9/11 were horrific and absolutely wrong, we can still see how a destructive and confrontational US foreign policy paved the way for some to hate us, and it's a foreign policy that many of us would like to see changed.  

Essentially, if you get past the yelling and the inflammatory rhetoric, Wright is arguing that America has made some serious mistakes, both at home and abroad.  I can't think of anyone who could possibly call him/herself a liberal, progressive, or Democrat that couldn't think of a wealth of examples of such behavior.  "God Damn America"...yes, it's very inflammatory, and I worry about its use in the general election, should Obama win the nomination.  But he's basically saying that we've done much wrong...and we have.  

There is a limit to how far you can use one person to judge another.  Have the inflammatory words of Wright been at all borne out in the actions or words of Barack Obama?  Not at all.  

It takes a sophisticated political mind to take issues discussed in anger and to refocus them on how they affect ALL Americans.  When Obama hears that blacks are poor, does he focus on affirmative action?  No, he focuses on the root causes of poverty for ALL Americans, such as education and healthcare costs.  When he hears talk of America having a racist foreign policy, does he talk about abandoning Israel?  No, he focuses on helping Darfur.

Reverend Wright's message may be a negative one.  I won't debate that.  It's borne out of anger and, in turn, IS anger.  But Obama can take the central theme of that message, injustice, and make it not about black people and white people, but about all people.  If you're a poor white person, you need help as much as a poor black person, and it's clear from his plans for America (and, thus, his ability to appeal to Americans of all types) that Obama realizes this.

So, yes, Wright's words are troubling.  But to assume that one man is the voice of another is absurd.  


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by freedom78 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:32:18 AM EST

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 I was always taught that we are all children of God. Who knew there was a difference between white Christianity and black Christianity.
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:41:36 AM EST
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I don't attend the church myself...but I have toi believe that it is as the differences between say Catholicism and Lutherans.


by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:46:49 AM EST
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I was also taught that you embrace your neighbor when disaster falls his/her way.

The Sunday after 9-11 was no time to be talking about America's past sins, even if he had done with proper language.  Only a sick person could do that then.

Only a sick audience could sit through it.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:48:45 AM EST
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Black America (none / 0)

Nice job condeming one of the most influential black churches in America as "sick", man this election going ot be odd, if Clinton gets the nod it will be like:
Mcain 50%
Mckinney 4%
Clinton 46%

And if Obama gets the nod it will be

McCain 52%
Obama 46%
Other 2%


by Socraticsilence on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:03:49 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

I agree with your predictions that the current path leads to a Democratic defeat in the fall.  The democratic "coalition" of blacks, working class whites, progressive whites, and latinos will probably not survive this.

As to my choice of the word "sick"..I am sorry if it sickens you, but it is sick!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:13:20 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

Do you think we could unite artound a "white knight" third option ala Gore, I mean Gore-Richardson would still have historic relevance.


by Socraticsilence on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:18:41 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

Gore would be a good choice at this point.  


by Toddwell on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:20:50 AM EST
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I doubt it... black people would feel denied, women would feel denied, latinos would feel denied!!  Only the upscale whites and the asians would support it.

And I am really sorry to be speaking in such stark racial tones...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:28:13 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

Unfortunately you are right. I am African-American and I literally spend my days trying to convince fellow AA's to vote for WHOMEVER is the nominee and they won't. My church was handing out fliers in the parking lot calling for the "blackout." I keep trying to emphasize the supreme court but not with much luck.


by kristannab on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:34:37 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

You don't think the Richardson VP could get latinos on board?


by Socraticsilence on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:41:33 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

Actually, I do this time. I think it could make a difference in places like New Mexico, Nevada, and Colorado.  He also has foreign policy experience which would help.


by kristannab on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:45:20 AM EST
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True. And Obama or Clinton (whichever gets the nom) should give some serious thought to Richardson.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:21:16 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

Thank god there's only one VP debate though, Bill was my guy, but after that first debate I knew he had no shot at even dark horsing it.


by Socraticsilence on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:37:43 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

Heh. Well, if Dan Quayle could blunder through a VP debate and not sink Bush 41, I think Richardson's pretty safe.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:45:32 AM EST
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Agreed on that. (none / 0)

But I don't see how it could happen.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:19:04 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

"white knight"
are you kidding me.
Please think of another way to phrase that...
We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 03:09:37 AM EST
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Re: Black America (none / 0)

The difference here is that with Clinton as the nominee, we could lose the House.  


by Toddwell on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:14:02 AM EST
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I agree with you that that was NOT the time for that sermon.  

But, to borrow your language, his point was that we've done a very poor job of embracing those struggling in America.  I don't need to cite to anyone on this site the stats about minorities and poverty (or just poverty in general), but that IS a disaster.  

Again, not the folks here, but America in general has turned a blind eye to such disasters.  But the timing was clearly very bad.  


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by freedom78 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:10:27 AM EST
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Well, if you really care for that, then you should applaud those that have really cared for minorities, and poverty in general.

Hillary Clinton (and Bill Clinton too) are examples of that.  They did a lot for minorities, and poverty in general.

Were you protesting just as hard when she was being called a racist in the NY Times (only last week, I believe).  Funny thing ~ I even believed those attacks.

Finally, there is a proper way to protest the discriminations and other injustices in society.  Nelson Mandela, for instance, never preached hate.  Neither did King...or Gandhi...or..


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:18:02 AM EST
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And Obama never preached hate either. Obama has been an activist for the poor since the early 1990s.  Hell, believe it or not, but TUCC has done a lot for the poor in Chicago even if the minister has said some outrageous things.


by elrod on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:22:31 AM EST
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Yes, I know Obama has never preached hate: I admire his sermons on unity and hope.  Obama would have made a better preacher!!  

But, I find it amazing that the messiah of unity and hope could spend 20 years around that man, and not suspect something.

I am very angry, and I am surprised you do not understand why !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:26:08 AM EST
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Anger is just an emotion.  If Wright's anger led him to do mostly good, helping the community and so forth, but a little bad...well, it's a shame that the bad is so inflammatory that it must outweigh the good.  

But Obama...I've never really seen him seem angry.  He's gotten a little testy once or twice, but never angry the way those videos make me think Wright might be.  The issues are the same.  Wright approaches them with anger.  Obama approaches them in a much more level headed and conciliatory manner.  


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by freedom78 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:38:16 AM EST
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My anger at Obama is based on his embrace of the man for so many years...inspite of knowing all (and yes, I do believe Obama knew all along)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:00:28 AM EST
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I think your anger is mostly directed at the words of the sermon. The purpose of these sermons is not to make people act as radical as their preachers but to get them to think deeper and do something for the greater good. Has Obama done anything that would make you think he is as radical as his Pastor?


by kristannab on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:04:16 AM EST
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No, my anger is also directed at Obama.  And I do not agree with your acceptance of the purpose of the sermon.

He had to have known about those words.. Obama is not a fool.

With that knowledge, he should have dissociated himself from this pastor way back in Sept 2001.  

I do not believe him when he says he only found out in Feb 2007... and I am angry at him for thinking I am a fool.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:11:18 AM EST
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You get something profoundly wrong here. Anger was, like it or not, an important part of the AA culture up until the generation of Obama. And that anger did not come from nowhere, as you very well know. Some people were able to overcome it and we should congratulate them on this, but it is not for you to damn a whole generation of AA's for being angry.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:59:18 AM EST
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I can damn whoever I like...it is my right to get angry too !!

And, in my opinion, you are the one that is getting something profoundly wrong ~ when you face hatred being preached, it is your OBLIGATION to walk out.

It does not matter what your history is !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:38:53 PM EST
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I never said Wright's way of doing things was proper, so let's be clear on that.

Regarding the Clintons, I'm not certain what Times piece you're referring to (there have been a lot of racial issues, lately, so I could see it coming up a lot).  If it's the piece about the phone, here's my comment:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/11/1 3049/0047/38#38

If you're referring to the Ferraro issue, here are some of my comments on that:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/12/1 1631/9144/9#9

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/12/1 02253/673/28#28

I think you'll find that I'm not casual about labeling anyone a racist.  I'm concerned about all the racial issues thrown about in this campaign.  Wrights comments were inflammatory.  Ferraro's comments, on which I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, lost my sympathy when she repeated them umpteen times.  Patterson's op-ed (which I saw him discuss on Hardball tonight) I generally thought was over the top and, even if it wasn't, I can't pin on Hillary Clinton the content of an ad which was developed by someone else.


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by freedom78 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:34:28 AM EST
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Patterson is a fool. I saw him on Hardball too. I wanted to throw something at the t.v. but knew I couldn't afford to replace it.


by kristannab on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:37:24 AM EST
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Re:Patterson (none / 0)

I don't know that he's a fool.  But if someone focuses in their career or life on racial issues, then I think they're likely to see it whether it exists or not.  I didn't think of the ad as having a racial component.  Then again, if the racial component was obvious it wouldn't be effective.  I honestly don't know if it's in there or not.  


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by freedom78 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:40:29 AM EST
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Re:Patterson (none / 0)

Okay, I shouldn't quite call him a fool but he completely over analyzed the ad and his conclusions were just ridiculous.  It was a national security ad not a racial ad. Yes, there are ads that play on people's "racial" fears but that just wasn't one of them and he made such a fool of himself by trying to show otherwise.


by kristannab on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:57:10 AM EST
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I agree...your comments have been generally very fair.

Patterson is a fool, btw:  that ad did have a black child.  He should have checked.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id= 6472

You can see my thoughts on racism here

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/14/1251 46/932

and here

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/14/1115 21/540


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:54:18 AM EST
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We have done a terrible job embracing those struggling in America. Can we say Hurricane Katrina?  How Christian was it to leave tax paying Americans on their rooftops to die while John McCain and Bush were eating cake?


by kristannab on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:53:50 AM EST
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Hey Seven, I understand where you're coming from, and how you feel about it.  I was going to work when the buildings were hit, and saw people jumping out as the D train crossed the Manhattan bridge.  My mothers train to work ran directly under the world trade center and I couldn't get in touch with her until I saw her later that night.  Apparently the buildings came down before the train entered that part of the tunnel.  Her clothes were covered in dust, she didn't have a very good morning.  Fortunately, I didn't personally know anyone that died that day, but I remember it clearly, and I remember my mother came 15-minutes-late-to-work close to dying that day.

However, at the same time, how long do you wait before you start to ask yourself why 14 men traveled half a world away to kill themselves in such extravagant fashion and take as many Americans with them as they could.  I'll be honest, that very day I started asking, not who, but why would someone want to do this to us.  

I don't usually mention in comments that I'm black, even when talking about racial issues in comments, because it adds impressions to what I'm saying and that can take away from my arguments.  But in this case I will because it will lend some pathos to what I'm trying to say.  And that is that I agree with the diarist, this country is still split racially and a segment of the black community (but not each individual black person) does see 9/11 and this country in a slightly different way than the rest of the country.  And this is in large part due to recent history.

I'll go further, and say that within the black community there is a split on how this nation is seen.  On the one hand, there is reverend Wright, who grew up in a very different country than the one where I grew up.  He grew up in a place where racism was tolerated and in some parts of the country encouraged.  He grew up seeing poor black neighborhoods remain poor black neighborhoods despite 50 years of complaining about lack of funding, lack of services, lack of police protection, lack of educational opportunities, lack of business incentives, etc. etc.  This is the very angry, and for good reason, side of the black community, who, for good or bad, will never trust America, because of what they have personally been through.

Then there is the next generation.  A generation that grew up after the civil rights movement and don't have the same impression of the U.S. as their parents.  Racism is more about being followed by the security guard in bloomingdales, being pulled over an inordinate number of times by the police (I personally was stopped 5 times in the span of one month in North Carolina, but never received a ticket.  Usually I was told I was going a bit too fast and let go with a warning.  Never mind that I very rarely go faster than the speed of traffic), not being able to catch a cab in NYC if you're going in a certain direction, or after dusk.  Being told that you owe your college acceptances to the fact that you're black, not the nights you worked your ass off studying.  It's a different type of racism, I don't worry that I'll be lynched when I go to the voting booth.  This is Obama's generation.

And so, being given opportunity and a chance to succeed in this country despite racism, something the last generation didn't have in abundance this new generation sees the country differently.  Sees it as one that, although far from perfect, has great potential.

The issue here is that you cannot forget or simply dissocatiate yourself from your mothers and fathers and uncles and that previous generation that can't find it within themselves to trust this country (specifically "rich white people").  You would be hard pressed to find a black person that lives in a black community that doesn't have family who can't stand this "racist" country.  You would be hard pressed to find a black preacher, 60 years or older who does not have a negative view of white America.

So, do I agree with Wright.  No, not everything.  Somethings yes, somethings no.  But I understand from where his anger comes from, and I understand how prevalent it is in my community.  If we blame Obama for this, then we're saying that we will not be able to find a black politician who has a chance to make it to that highest office for another 20 years.  Because I guarantee that the vast majority of them have some family, and maybe one pastor that they've known for quite a while, who have said very similar things.


by shalca on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:29:51 AM EST
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Hello Shalca

Thank you for those moving comments.  I had to read it multiple times to understand.  Forgive me if I have misunderstood some things...

I usually do not talk about my own religion, but since you divulged so much of yourself, I will reciprocate:  My parents are not Muslims, but I was baptized as one (the reasons for that are irrelevant here). I chose not to practice Islam (again, for reasons that are irrelevant here), but I am very familiar with the Islamic movement ~ including the forms that are more tolerant of others (the mosque where I was baptized was one such example), and those that preach a more militant approach.  I understand the Mosques, and the hatred that they preach...just the same way that you understand the hatred coming from Rev. Wright.

Understanding the origin of hatred does not mean condoning it, or justifying it.. which you are not actively  doing.  But if you truly reject hatred, then it is also your duty to walk out when you hear your priest preaching hatred.  If you do anything less, then you are condoning that hatred..passively !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:46:46 AM EST
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Sorry you had to read it twice.  I really should edit my comments before I hit post, but I get lazy at night.

What I'm saying is yes, I do understand the origin of his anger.  I think a lot of older black people are still angry, and though it's easy enough to say it's our duty to walk out on it, these angry people are also our mothers and fathers and pastors and the same people who fought to get us the opportunities that we have today.  It's not so easy to say to someone, stop being so angry at the rich white man, when that person may have been beaten in the streets for marching for the right to send their children to a better school.


by shalca on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:20:17 AM EST
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This comment really deserves to be a diary.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:05:34 AM EST
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Re: Rev. Wright & Black America (2.00 / 1)

I thik it has somethign to with the fact taht White Christianity has spent the majority of the nation's history telling black christianity, that it didn't count, becaue after all why would good here prayers of blacks, that'd be like him hearing the prayers of a poodle.

Please don't takwe this as a blanket condemantion, Crhsitianity had important roles in abolition and the civil rights movement, but the intitial refusal to acknowledge led to the growth of a parallel church for lack of a better term.


by Socraticsilence on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:56:10 AM EST
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Read your history (none / 0)

Sorry, but the reality of Christianity in this country has never matched the egalitarian rhetoric you cite. For centuries white Christians referenced the "Son of Ham" to justify slavery and then segregation. For many white people - particularly wealthier Southerners - Christianity was a form of social control and ordering and not an outlet of liberation. For blacks, Christianity was always about liberation. Even the Scriptural passages reflected this. In slavery, the master cited Paul and the order to obey your master. Slaves cited Exodus. Black Christianity has always been different from white Christianity in this country.


by elrod on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:10:56 AM EST
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Re: Read your history (none / 0)

I once tried to practice Christianity:  The version that says you should try to be like Jesus.  I failed...it is not possible to be like Jesus.

But the version you describe professes to be the exact opposite of Jesus.  I cannot accept that.  I do not care if white Christians also invoked Christ to justify slavery.  They are both wrong.

If you want a model for how Christianity can be used for liberation, while actively seeking reconciliation with those that oppress you...then you need to look no further than Nelson Mandela.  It was not that long back either....


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:23:39 AM EST
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That's the thing Seven.  Not everyone is looking for reconciliation with the oppressors.  That's where Wright and Obama diverge.  There are those that see that reconciliation and those that feel it's far too late to reconcile.


by shalca on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:37:44 AM EST
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Re: Read your history (none / 0)

Only fools try to destroy the oppressors..you only destroy yourself first!!

Gandhi said so himself (except for the word fool)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:57:20 AM EST
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  Are you so full of yourself and your hero that   because we don`t support him, we are not involved in our own way of brining about change, even if it is only in our community?
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 12:32:43 PM EST
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Yes, indeed.

Now is an excellent to have a long-overdue discussion.
But I do not know if it is possible.


by johnnygunn on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 01:06:29 AM EST

awesome diary and discussion (none / 0)

I would type a longer reply but im on my phone. hope to do so later.


by highgrade on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:02:18 AM EST

Congratulations On Your First Diary (none / 0)

And thank you for your excellent observations.


by Demo37 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:04:23 AM EST

Good points, nicely done. (none / 0)

And no offense to religious people, but if the damn wingnuts use some sermons to scare America and destroy Democratic chances in the fall, I will have to say something about how often religion messes things up. Can't help it. It's involuntary.

Just look at Romney's candidacy. (Oooh, Mormon! Scary! Flee, Republicans, flee!)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:17:05 AM EST

Re: Good points, nicely done. (none / 0)

I don't know about you, but I am so angry today that I do not care about the wingnuts.

This is why I failed at Christianity...I could never let go of anger.

Religion can be exploited for bad deeds, I agree.. I can also be used to do a lot of good.  Do not blame the tool for being misused!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:22:44 AM EST
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Re: Good points, nicely done. (none / 0)

True, but it's hard not to, considering how much intolerance and destruction religion (or malicious use of it) has wrought. It's a very human failing, but it seems like an inordinately pervasive one.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:25:56 AM EST
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